Quote Originally Posted by bigdamo View Post
Pretty straight forward I said "Here is a reason why motorcycles are barred from most cities" " a" meaning there is a number of reasons. This is but one of them. If i said "here is the reason why motorcycles are barred from most cities" that would be propaganda and ill informed.

Ahh the old statistics game crap. Been involved in land access rights for motorcycles and MTB to know that one group can go and get statistics to support there cause and the other group can go and get statistics to support there cause both from qualified statistics companies.Gee funny that.

I never said they were statistics I said my sister worked in the local hospital ( there version of causality dept to be precise but I didn't mention that) That is on average how many motorcyclists she admits a day.I also said there are two hospitals here and I don't know how many motorcycle the other hospital treats a day.I'm betting it would be more it is a better hospital.Go and waste your time getting stats.I'd say you won't find them and don't just do it for Beijing do it for the whole country.

It is legal in Sydney,Australia to ride your motorcycle between cars and trucks which are stationary up to traffic lights.It is covered in your proper training.

Speeding 10kmh over the speed limit they can take your license if your points are nearly gone or the copper decides to make life hard for you. That's in Australia.The coppers are out in force now due to it being spring. Weather has warmed up and everyone is taking there motorcycles out for a run.So the coppers will blitz them at least for the next month.The coppers will even put it in the media that they are going to be targeting them and where and alot of motorcyclists with proper training will still go out and do stupid things and get caught and crash.

Most of my friends who had done proper training where done doing 80kmh in a 60kmh zone some 100kph. Not hard to do as most bikes will do 80kmh in second gear.But yes there fault pay the price.But as I said just because you have done training doesn't mean your invisible or a total expert or have lapse of concentration.

Up here Shihezi sorry it is not as well known as Beijing heard of Google.

The learner car drivers that I know are putting in about 6 hours a week lessons varying between 1 and 3 months period.Defensive driving,Driving in all weather conditions and roar rules etc si what they are learning.

Maybe some of us on here should have done the full motorcycle and car training/test rather than saying I'm fully trained in my own country let me sit the computer test and I'm good to go.Hell I might even go and do some more training here before I embark on the madness they call driving/riding here.

I don't understand first you say

"Motorcycle aware programs are definitely possible in China."

then you say

"the government would have to lend a certain amount of legitimacy to motorcyclists, which they don't want to do. So they'd rather ban them or restrict them then educate people on them."

Which is it?

Did you read all of my posts or did you just get all hot under the collar and started spitting chips when you saw "here is a reason motorcycles are barred in most cities"

As i said before motorcycle training minimizes the risk but your not invincible.Its the ones you don't see who can get you.

Once again where did I say ban motorcycles?
Wow, you are significantly more hostile than is warranted for this forum or for this topic.

Please work on your grammar. It would make your point(s) much easier to understand.

I don't think anyone here would disagree with the fact that motorcycles are dangerous. Proper defensive driving tactics and driving intelligently, avoiding unnecessary risks, can however significantly minimize the danger of riding a motorcycle and in many instances, given the maneuverability of motorcycles, make them in some ways safer than cars. Training doesn't necessitate employing these tactics, but employing them does necessitate minimizing the risks.

I personally love riding my motorcycle. It is much more preferable to taking the bus here in Beijing, and on top of that it's just a lot of fun. Riding here is a risk, but so is walking, riding a bike, breathing the air, drinking baijiu, or eating street food. I do what I can to minimize those risks using what education have on the matters and go on with my life.

For anything else on this subject, I'll have to echo Lao Jia Hou's 5 points he offered in "2 more fen" and leave at that as your hostile and defensive attitude makes anymore constructive dialogue far too difficult.