Quote Originally Posted by Bucko View Post
I don't know what you're correcting in my quote of what you said? I quoted the title exactly how you said you said it. You said here is a reason. Other users called that propaganda. I was defending that claim given the way that that argument was presented, which was out of context and with little substance. I would say a/the reason is that the Chinese government doesn't know how to handle the problem.

I agree that it's hypocritical to ban one kind of motorcycle and not another. This is again where my comment comes into play about statistics. The initial post of yours about the 20 motorcycle accidents comes off as propaganda if you don't indicate what kind of bikes were involved in the accidents. Chances are, almost all of them were below 200cc. Thus it doesn't make sense to ban cafe racers as a way to solve the motorcycle accident problem when most of them are not cafe racers.

As for the postie friend, I'm sorry to hear about his passing. It is very unfortunate when another biker loses their life like that especially even with proper training. However, that said, it is recommended that you probably shouldn't be riding the line between cars. Most of us do it of course, but it is inherently dangerous and any rider, especially with proper training, should be aware of that risk before engaging in it. By riding like this you are putting yourself in a countless number of cars' blind spots at a much higher relative speed to the other drivers. This is INCREDIBLY dangerous. Proper training would teach you this. Proper training teaches you that it's not how good of a driver you are but how bad other drivers are and thus you take the necessary precautions against these: honk at blind intersections and blind turns, don't ride the line, check your blind spots, don't be in others' blind spots, etc.

I don't know what country you're talking about losing your license for speeding, but at least in the U.S. you would have to be speeding WELL over the speed limit to lose your license, and at those levels, I see nothing wrong with taking away that person's license, since as you've mentioned they give other bikers a bad name and are simply an accident waiting to happen regardless of your training.

"the people up here have do alot of training to get there car license". Where is "up here" and what does that training actually entail? My guess would be not that much, and from what I know of the testing here in Beijing, it doesn't add up to much driving skills.

About the car, I guess I just misread a previous post.

Motorcycle aware programs are definitely possible in China. The central government has never shied away from PSAs. All you have to do is see the difference in drivers within Beijing and without. Most of that is largely do to efforts made during/for the olympics. The problem though is that to have such a program, the government would have to lend a certain amount of legitimacy to motorcyclists, which they don't want to do. So they'd rather ban them or restrict them then educate people on them. In other countries it's common to see "share the road" signs, etc. on highways. Here, all you see is the no motorcycles allowed sign as you ride past it. So rather than educate they restrict and ban, which in my opinion is wrong and asking for trouble.

Pretty straight forward I said "Here is a reason why motorcycles are barred from most cities" " a" meaning there is a number of reasons. This is but one of them. If i said "here is the reason why motorcycles are barred from most cities" that would be propaganda and ill informed.

Ahh the old statistics game crap. Been involved in land access rights for motorcycles and MTB to know that one group can go and get statistics to support there cause and the other group can go and get statistics to support there cause both from qualified statistics companies.Gee funny that.

I never said they were statistics I said my sister worked in the local hospital ( there version of causality dept to be precise but I didn't mention that) That is on average how many motorcyclists she admits a day.I also said there are two hospitals here and I don't know how many motorcycle the other hospital treats a day.I'm betting it would be more it is a better hospital.Go and waste your time getting stats.I'd say you won't find them and don't just do it for Beijing do it for the whole country.

It is legal in Sydney,Australia to ride your motorcycle between cars and trucks which are stationary up to traffic lights.It is covered in your "proper training".

Speeding 10kmh over the speed limit they can take your license if your points are nearly gone or the copper decides to make life hard for you. That's in Australia.The coppers are out in force now due to it being spring. Weather has warmed up and everyone is taking there motorcycles out for a run.So the coppers will blitz them at least for the next month.The coppers will even put it in the media that they are going to be targeting them and where and alot of motorcyclists with proper training will still go out and do stupid things and get caught and crash.

Most of my friends who had done proper training where done doing 80kmh in a 60kmh zone some 100kph. Not hard to do as most bikes will do 80kmh in second gear.But yes there fault pay the price.But as I said just because you have done training doesn't mean your invisible or a total expert or have lapse of concentration.

Up here Shihezi sorry it is not as well known as Beijing heard of Google.

The learner car drivers that I know are putting in about 6 hours a week lessons varying between 1 and 3 months period.Defensive driving,Driving in all weather conditions and roar rules etc si what they are learning.

Maybe some of us on here should have done the full motorcycle and car training/test rather than saying I'm fully trained in my own country let me sit the computer test and I'm good to go.Hell I might even go and do some more training here before I embark on the madness they call driving/riding here.

I don't understand first you say

"Motorcycle aware programs are definitely possible in China."

then you say

"the government would have to lend a certain amount of legitimacy to motorcyclists, which they don't want to do. So they'd rather ban them or restrict them then educate people on them."

Which is it?

Did you read all of my posts or did you just get all hot under the collar and started spitting chips when you saw "here is a reason motorcycles are barred in most cities"

As i said before motorcycle training minimizes the risk but your not invincible.Its the ones you don't see who can get you.

Once again where did I say ban motorcycles?